tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post3962870353092842458..comments2023-12-24T15:36:16.969-05:00Comments on Chuck for ...: Labor 'Losers'Chuck Butcherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13656874242638324636noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post-85554773800007942902007-05-23T10:48:00.000-04:002007-05-23T10:48:00.000-04:00Dream on and believe a third party nationally will...Dream on and believe a third party nationally will happen...NOT! Yup, I like Ron Paul, he has as much chance as being successful and I have in winning the lottery. The Libertarian Party here in Oregon is the same short-sighted as Ralph Nader's presidential run. Have we not learned anything from the fringe loony religious right? They started small, school boards etc etc. and than took over the repugs clear into the white house. The same for all 3rd parties to do start small and grow. The Libertarians weren't smart enough to do this, maybe that is a good thing. In little ol' Oregon we need a 3-4th party to field at least 10% of our legislature. But most people fear the consequences of a third party and believe the propaganda fed them by our two existing parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post-18792803843568987962007-05-23T00:06:00.000-04:002007-05-23T00:06:00.000-04:00Suggest a close look at Ron Paul. Yep progessives ...Suggest a close look at Ron Paul. Yep progessives are a strange lot. Want to save the environment but don't get it. Numbers of people are the root cause of all environmental problems. As an Oregonian who was told we all must live in the city because we are sprawling into open space, wildlife habitat and farm land by Tom McCall in 1973 I find it unbelieveable that they are the same open borders crowd. Numbers USA can confirm that most of our population increase is a direct result of immigration. Oh well plan and zone and recycle and all will be well.<BR/> Today congress failed to strike out the provosions to add 600,000 guest workers per year, maybe tomorrow they might cut that in half but we don't need one more immigrant, legal or illegal.. We are full, the third most popular nation in the world and nobody ever talks about a stopping point.<BR/> I'm an ex democrat, been decades since I could consider a republican. I'll say it again, on the things that count there is no differnce. Globalits versus Americans is the real fight.<BR/>Again I say look to third tier candidates. Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo or democrat Byron Dorgan. Its time for a 3rd or 4th party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post-72792763876689065822007-05-22T22:16:00.000-04:002007-05-22T22:16:00.000-04:00Misguided racial justice would probably equate to ...Misguided racial justice would probably equate to liberal guilt, that was the term used to me a few days ago, I quite honestly don't know what the motivation is other than that racist dirt bag Republikans are against illegal immigration.<BR/><BR/>What is odd is that in as progressive an organization as the DPO you don't find widespread enthusiasm for amnesty. Even odder is that you find it on the wilder side of the left.Chuck Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13656874242638324636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post-34129962326132106792007-05-22T19:58:00.000-04:002007-05-22T19:58:00.000-04:00I spend about equal time at both conservative site...I spend about equal time at both conservative sites (mostly gun-related forums) and progressive sites. The conservatives are REALLY pissed off about this amnesty bill, but most of them are already anti-union, so they don't mention the union angle to this story. <BR/><BR/>Progressives seem to be approaching this from a highly misguided sense of racial justice, without thinking about the consequences for working people (or the environment) of adding tens of millions more low-paid workers to the labor pool. Labor seems to be the red-headed stepchild these days. <BR/><BR/>Strange to say, but true conservatives like Ron Paul may actually be better for organized labor than any of the Dems running for Prez. He's not willing to sell out his fellow Americans with corporate trade agreements or by granting amnesty to tens of millions of illegals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post-55172474651528542682007-05-22T16:41:00.000-04:002007-05-22T16:41:00.000-04:00If you primarily monitor progressive sites, you wo...If you primarily monitor progressive sites, you won't. Somehow, being progressive now means a labor glut undercutting wages is a good thing. There is no legal worker labor shortage, there is a shortage of legal workers who will do the work for the depressed wages caused by illegal hiring. Nobody seems to want to look beyond the plutocrats' talking points. I am very unhappy and my construction crew is real unlikely to look kindly on a party that goes in this direction.Chuck Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13656874242638324636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22183958.post-16062787735445231422007-05-22T15:57:00.000-04:002007-05-22T15:57:00.000-04:00For the life of me I can't figure out why the unio...For the life of me I can't figure out why the unions are selling out their members by supporting this amnesty bill. It's such a slap in the face of the American working class. I'm 100% pro-labor, and have been a member of two different unions, but their support for illegal alien amnesty is really making me rethink my pro-union stance. They are colluding with those who seek to destroy the American middle class, the very same people who also support so-called "free trade" (i.e., highly managed corporate trade).<BR/><BR/>Thanks for speaking up about it. I monitor a lot of news and blog sites, and no one has said a thing about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com